First of all, just a moment to say thanks for all of the kind thoughts and comments on the last post. Despite feelings of queasiness, we are really excited about the next steps.
I must say that the 26 days on the pill that the doctor has prescribed does take the wind out of your sails a bit. I liken it to the scene in the movie Swingers! where Mikey and Trent decide that they are going to Vegas.
They get dressed up in suits, and spend the first 30 minutes of the trip talking about all of the "beautiful babies" they are going to meet, the money that they will surely win, and the comps that they will receive when the Casino recognizes them as high rollers. Each sentence is punctuated with a heartfelt, "Vegas Baby!"
One hour into the trip their energy is lagging and they can barely muster a "Vegas."
Check out this classic scene for yourself:
Very similar to the Beans family dynamic, with Mrs. Beans playing the practical role of Mikey.
It is a strange situation in that you are trying to strike a delicate balance between confidence/excitement and fear/anxiety. It is very emotionally taxing and we are only on cd4!
So speaking of Vegas. Let's look at the odds shall we. Under 35, with ICSI, our chances b
ased on the clinics success rate is roughly 50% for one embryo. If there are two embryos available and implanted the odds of success increase to 52%. Something that is not clear to us (and we need to ask) is if two are put back what are the odds of twins? I am assuming that the 52% is with regard to one successful embryo. Also, what exactly are the potential complications that come with twins for both the babies and Mrs. Beans. We get the sense that the doctor will encourage up to do one embryo, but since we are paying out of pocket the 2% increase in odds does seem appealing. Thoughts?
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My doctor told me that twins puts more stress on your body. So my opinion? Go for it if you think your wife can handle it physically. There is also the issue of trying to care for two babies at one time. Are you two up for it? My husband wasn't that thrilled with the idea. He kept reminding me that he had to work full time and wouldn't be able to help me as much as I would like.
My RE has always been more on the aggressive side and transfered more rather than fewer embryos. I think this tends to be typical of American docs. So maybe I'll end up with twins, which truthfully does freak me out a bit, given the potential complications in pregnancy, but I'm taking that risk.
Each clinic has different odds but with mine they said that the chances of pregnancy with one fresh embie was 60%. With two fresh embies it went up to 65% with a 50% chance of twins. Atleast thats what I think they said. Better ask your clinic.
Never having gone through IVF myself...I can tell ya my dear friend went through 3. Each time with THREE embryo's. On her last fresh IVF they ended up pregnant. Her SINGLETON SON just turned 1. Anything is possible...but myself...I would go with 2...twins occur naturally in nature...so what hte heck :)
I'm a bit partial ... We transferred 2 and have 2 beautiful babies. I wouldn't change it for anything in the world. It did make the pregnancy a little scarier, as it just gave me one MORE thing to worry about, along with all the worries that just came from being an infertile.
Just really discuss with your wife how you feel about having 2 babies. It's harder, but it's such a blessing. But it's a lot of work, and money. So as long as you prepare for it maybe happening, you will be fine!
Good luck!
Just b/c you transfer more than one..doesn't mean automatic multiples...it has alot to do with the quality of the embryos and your reason for IVF in the first place. We thought we'd have it easy...didn't realize that you CAN have 0 fertilization even with ICSI...not trying to scare you, but just relaying my factoids.
My RE is unfortunately completely against transferring two unless they're shitty embryos. His stats say that at 31, with no known issues, our odds with a single good quality embryo are 61% - with two they drop to 50% because one can cancel the other out (if one's in trouble, it can take the other down). My RE is also all about the extra stress on your body, the 5x risk of death for twins... could I go on? Unfortunately yea. My brain still says how are TWO not BETTER than ONE for odds, but he's slowly beating it into our heads that one is safer with better odds. Although the research I find seems to say about equal odds of pregnancy, but less live births with twins. Sorry for the thesis...
The average twin pregnancy tends to only make it to 36 weeks, so there is increased risk of preterm labor and prematurity. You can have twins vaginally, but are more likely to have a C-section. C-sections have a higher risk than vaginal. For a vaginal delivery of twins, Mrs Beans would still have to do the pushing in the OR table (quite uncomfortable), and could still potentially end up with a C-section after delivery of the first twin.
Once born, they are a lot of work, but doable. In discussing the possibilities of multiples with Mr Spock, we knew I wouldn't be able to work with infant twins, and would have had to reevaluate our finances and spending big time.
triplets, that's another story....
I transferred 4 in almost all of my IVF cycles. The first time I got pregnant with 1 (apparently another implanted but never developed). The second & third times I didn't get pregnant & the fourth time (with thawed embryos) I got pregnant with twins (there was a third sac, but it never became an embryo). I carried my twins to 39 weeks (my doctor stripped my membranes so I would go into labor). In my last IVF cycle, I transferred 2 and became pregnant with a singleton.
AFAIK the 'risk' of twins is about 25%.
Personally, I would go with 2 because it makes you feel like even if one doesn't make it, your cycle isn't doomed... That is, unless you're terrified of twins, in which case, I'd stick with one.
Hi Frank. I got one transferred 9 days ago - they usually recommend one here in Oz. My doc said that your chances of getting pregnant are higher if you transfer 2 with an FET.
I've nominated you for a Rocking Girl Blogger! :)
I don't have any suggestions since we've yet to confront IVF, but I just wanted to wish you well and say that I'm sending you as much strength as I can spare.
A twin pregnancy is seen as a complication hence the encouragement to put back in only one. At least your Doc is not not encouraging you to back in 6, hence helping his clinics stats figures.
Wishing you both the very best of luck and that it may be successful first time round.
Bear with it and take each day as it comes...........And sometimes take one minute at a time..........
Just remember, if your wife bites your head off, she doesn't mean it. It's the drugs.........
Honest.
Frank, I know that ICSI does tend to make better embies, but we did 2 both of our transfers, the first set w/o ICSI, and the second with... First IVF was a negative, and second was twins until 8 weeks when one was lost. So I guess you should really just go with your hearts on this one, and of course your wifes health. I was scared to death at the thought of having 2 newborns at the same time, but I know lots of people who do it and succede... Hang in there!!!
I'm not on the IVF trail yet, but I just wanted to send you lots of luck as you make this nerve-wracking yet exciting step.
i haven't had twins, so i'm talking out my backside here, but my personal opinion is the more the merrier. i'm older, so i've been the recipient of 3 8-cell embies, got a wimpy positive, and then lost that pregnancy very early (it was very likely a chemical pregnancy). we had one on ice, the transfer went great, we got preggers, she split, but we lost her twin (very early...apparently due to an implantation problem). you just never know what you're going to get, you know. i am with trace...if you and mrs beans feel like you're up for the challenge, go for it.
wishing you the very best and a lot of sticky vibes,
-lori
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We thought we'd have it easy...didn't realize that you CAN have 0 fertilization even with ICSI...not trying to scare you, but just relaying my factoids.
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